Jurisdiction is Gone

We know we have had no true pope since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958.

We know there is no papal jurisdiction in the world today from a true pope for Bishops or priests to exist.

Therefore, there are no more bishops or priests, or clergymen of any kind in the world today.

This means the Novus Ordo parish system is run by heretics.  This also means the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI and any other organization with so-called priests are schismatic and are an abomination to our Lord.

Archbishops Thuc and Lefebvre did not possess papal jurisdiction to “consecrate” their so-called Bishops.

Q. Did Bishops (Thuc, Lefebvre, etc.) have any jurisdiction after October 9, 1958 (the death of Pope Pius XII)?

A. The only jurisdiction bishops after October 9, 1958 had was to ordain priests.  They could not ordain a bishop because that requires papal jurisdiction. After the loss of our last true pope, Pope Pius XII, in 1958, all papal jurisdiction was forever gone from the face of the earth.

After December 8, 1965 when all the bishops of the Church officially apostatized by consenting to and signing the Vatican II heretical documents, there were no more ordinations that EVER took place again on the earth.

ALL of the bishops in the WHOLE world—every single one— signed the heretical Vatican II documents, even Archbishop Thuc and Archbishop LeFebvre. Thuc was among the most liberal Cardinals at Vatican II.

Any priest up to that point in time was a true priest, unless he too apostatized, as most did afterward by following the teachings of Vatican II and saying the Novus Ordo Missae. The priests who never apostatized, could still offer the sacraments only where they had been given permission to do so (see below).

Clergymen who apostatized or fell into heresy could only abjure and become lay Catholics afterward, NEVER able to return to their ministerial duties. This is a Catholic Church law.

The priest if he was ordained before Dec. 8, 1965.  The bishops ordaining had been given jurisdiction by a true Pope to ordain. However, this priest’s sacramental functions were limited to the place where they were before that time, when his bishop apostatized.  Again, if he fell into heresy or celebrated the Novus Ordo Missae, he was able only to abjure and no longer possesses the authority to perform the duties of the priesthood. God bless you.


Two Vital papal decrees (see our section under Heresies for more)

    1. Pope Pius VI, Charitas:

“We therefore severely forbid the said Expilly and the other wickedly elected and illicitly consecrated men, under this punishment of suspension, to assume episcopal jurisdiction or any other authority for the guidance of souls since they have never received it. They must not grant dimissorial letters for ordinations. Nor must they appoint, depute, or confirm pastors, vicars, missionaries, helpers, functionaries, ministers, or others, whatever their title, for the care of souls and the administration of the Sacraments under any pretext of necessity whatsoever. Nor may they otherwise act, decree, or decide, whether separately or united as a council, on matters which relate to ecclesiastical jurisdiction. For We declare and proclaim publicly that all their dimissorial letters and deputations or confirmations, past and future, as well as all their rash proceedings and their consequences, are utterly void and without force.

“We also command and prohibit under the same punishment of suspension both the men consecrated and their consecrators from illicitly conferring the sacrament of confirmation or of orders, or exercising in any way the episcopal office from which they have been suspended. Consequently, anyone ordained by them should realize that he is suspended and will be guilty of irregularity if he exercises the orders he has received.”

  1. Pope Pius XII’s Vacantis Apostolica Sedis:
    1. “During the vacancy of the Apostolic See, regarding those things that pertained to the Sovereign Roman Pontiff while he lived, the Sacred College of Cardinals shall have absolutely no power or jurisdiction of rendering neither a favor nor justice or of carrying out a favor or justice rendered by the deceased Pontiff; rather, let the College be obliged to reserve all these things to the future Pontiff. Therefore, We declare invalid and void any power or jurisdiction pertaining to the Roman Pontiff in his lifetime, which the assembly of Cardinals might decide to exercise (while the Church is without a Pope), except to the extent to which it be expressly permitted in this Our Constitution…
    2. Likewise we command that the Sacred College of Cardinals shall not have the power to make a determination in any way it pleases concerning the rights of the Apostolic See and of the Roman Church, nor attempt in any way to subtract directly or indirectly from the rights of the same on the pretext of a relaxation of attention or by the concealment of actions perpetrated against these same rights even after the death of the Pontiff or in the period of the vacancy. On the contrary, We desire that the College ought to watch over and defend these rights during the contention of all influential forces.
    3. The laws issued by Roman Pontiffs in no way can be corrected or changed by the assembly of Cardinals of the Roman Church while it is without a Pope, nor can anything be subtracted from them or added or dispensed in any way whatsoever with respect to said laws or any part of them. This prohibition is especially applicable in the case of Pontifical Constitutions issued to regulate the business of the election of the Roman Pontiff. In truth, if anything adverse to this command should by chance happen to come about or be attempted, We declare it, by Our Supreme Authority, to be null and void.”

Both papal election constitutions, Vacantis Apostolica Sedis & Charitas, teach that should anything be done to usurp papal jurisdiction, and if any papal laws are broken, these acts are null and void, and this by infallible command (para. 3, VAS).

Before departing from this earth as our last true Vicar, Pope Pius XII was given by God the words which sealed the fate of false clergymen and preserved for the people of God the means to know God’s true plan for the End Times.  We were to lose our pope—and all the Church hierarchy–as the scriptures foretold. And there would be no turning back.  No pope, no bishops, no priests, no mass.  And the small remnant would experience the cessation (end) of the Holy Mass as the Church always knew and taught in days long-gone-by.

St. Francis de Sales (Bishop and Doctor of the Church): “Is it not written that the revolt and separation must come (2 Thess. ii. 3), and that the sacrifice shall cease (Dan. xii. 11), and that the Son of Man shall hardly find faith on earth at his second visible return (Luke xviii 8), when he will come to judge? All these passages are understood of the affliction which Antichrist shall cause in the Church…But the Church… shall not fail, and shall be fed and preserved amidst the deserts and solitudes to which She shall retire, as the Scripture says, (Apoc. Ch. 12),” —The Catholic Controversy

How can we know how to interpret these infallible decrees?

For those with a little theological background these decrees are quite clear.

For those who need a theologian’s explanation for more clarity, you can read below.

Relying on the “authority” of schismatic bishops like Lefebvre and Thuc for consecration and ordination is a grave mistake.

“Even if valid orders exist, where jurisdiction is lacking there is no real apostolicity. Schism, as well as heresy, destroys apostolic succession,” (Rev. Thomas Cox, “Pillar and Ground of Truth,” 1900).

In his “Manual of Christian Doctrine,” written for religious congregations and Catholic institutions of higher learning, seminary professor Rev. John Joseph McVey wrote in 1926:

Q. 60: Who after the pope are lawful pastors of the Church?
A. The bishops who have been canonically instituted, i.e., who have received from the Sovereign Pontiff a diocese to govern.

Q. 73: Why is it not sufficient to be a bishop or priest in order to be a lawful pastor?
A. Because a bishop must also be sent into a diocese by the Pope, and a priest must be sent into a parish by the bishop. In other words, a pastor must have not only the power of order, but also THE POWER OF JURISDICTION, (emph. McVey’s).

Q. 77: How is the power of jurisdiction communicated?
A. Priests receive their jurisdiction from the bishop of the diocese; bishops receive theirs from the pope; and the Pope holds jurisdiction from Jesus Christ. A bishop who did not have his spiritual powers from the Pope, a pastor who did not have his from the lawful bishop, would be AN INTRUDER OR SCHISMATIC,” (emph. McVey’s).

Not only are Traditionalist “priests” and “bishops” (those “consecrated” or “ordained” by Thuc & Lefebvre or their so-called “bishops”) illicitly ordained and consecrated, without a true pope, they all possess NO jurisdiction whatsoever.

For those who may have questions about this answer, please see the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the Church, which states in part: “Apostolicity of mission consists in the power of holy orders and the power of jurisdiction derived by legitimate transmission from the Apostles. Any religious organization whose ministers do not possess these two powers is not accredited to preach the Gospel of Christ.”

For ‘How can they preach,’ asks the Apostle, ‘unless they be sent?’ (Rom. 10:15).”

“A Christian society whose bishops go back to the apostles only through the power of order, and not also through the power of jurisdiction, cannot claim to be apostolic, and consequently cannot be the Church of Christ,” Revs. Devivier and Sasia, “Christian Apologetics, Vol. II), wrote in 1924.

Q. Can any priest absolve sins validly?
A. Canon Law states: “Besides the power of orders, the ministers, to absolve sins validly, must have either ordinary or delegated power of jurisdiction over the penitent,” (Can. 872). 7.

What about priests who came after the Great Apostasy of the Vatican II false Council?

Q. I believe Fr. Campbell was ordained in 1959 but said the new mass. If Fr. Campbell repented and abjured his error of saying the novus ordo missae (false pagan mass), why can’t he resume his priestly functions and duties today?

A. The reason he cannot resume his priestly functions is because that is church law. If he was a heretic and returned to the Church continuing to exercise the sacred functions of the ministry, then his soul is in jeopardy of going to hell.  He must not delay, in that case, from abdicating whatever sacred functions of the ministry he may still be practicing, make a formal abjuration, make a perfect act of contrition, and pray to God to be received back into the Church as a layman so that he MIGHT save his soul, none of which will be likely if he does not begin to pray the daily 15-decade Rosary.

You can tell such a “priest” I said so. St. Cyprian (lib. 2, epist. 6) says: “We affirm that absolutely no heretic or schismatic has any power or right”; and he also teaches (lib. 2, epist. 1) that the heretics who return to the Church must be received as laymen, even though they have been formerly priests or bishops in the Church. “Cum ex…” in fact teaches that such men are “completely and entirely, forever deprived of, and furthermore disqualified from and incapacitated for their rank…”

Pope Paul IV also states: “Further, whoever knowingly presumes in any way to receive anew the persons so apprehended, confessed or convicted, or to favor them, believe them, or teach their doctrines shall ipso facto incur excommunication, and, become infamous. They shall not and cannot be admitted orally, in person, in writing, through any spokesman or pro-curator to offices public or private…”

Revs. Woywod-Smith explain the effects of infamy of law under Can. 2294 §1: “A person who has incurred infamy of law is not only irregular, [from defect] as declared by Can. 984 n. 5, but in addition, he is incapacitated from obtaining ecclesiastical benefices, pensions, offices and dignities, from performing legal ecclesiastical acts, from discharging any ecclesiastical right or duty, and must be restrained from the exercise of sacred functions of the ministry.”

The authors continue: “The person who has incurred…an infamy of law…cannot validly obtain ecclesiastical benefices, pensions, offices and dignities, nor can he validly exercise the rights connected with the same, nor perform a valid, legal ecclesiastical act.”


Today we have no pope, no bishops and no priests ANYWHERE in the world.  All of the ones we did have either apostatized or died. This means we have no Church hierarchy and no mass.  We can still be good Catholics without them.  We can partake of the sacraments of baptism and matrimony without them.  All of the other sacraments have been lost to us.  We can still make a good confession and be absolved of all of our sins without a clergyman.  Church law tells us so, as you will find on this site. Believe every dogma of our Catholic Church, consecrate yourself to Mary in the manner of St. Louis de Montfort, pray the 15-decade Rosary every day and wear the brown scapular, and your salvation will be secure.

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